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62. Working Through Negative Self-Talk

Jenna Malone is a HTML Email Developer and the founder of ‘Underpaid Clothing’, a streetwear clothing brand grounded on standing up against corporate greed. A mental health advocate, Jenna speaks openly about how negative self-talk affected her throughout employment up until beginning her business, as well as toxic work environments and how she has found a purpose.

Also discussed:

(1:15) Introduction

(2:37) Jenna’s fear around starting her own podcast, her relationship with negativity and struggles taking actions, the barriers stopping us from doing things we want to

(8:22) Online communities, sharing our experiences in business and mental health, authenticity, taking up hobbies

(16:09) Where the idea for ‘Underpaid Clothing’ came from, toxic work environments, changes due to being laid off, suicide ideation

(24:25) How burnout from html development moved Jenna towards her dream job in the form of ‘Underpaid Clothing’, being hired after months of unemployment and negotiating pay

(29:11) The idea that creatives rarely get paid what they are worth, the transition to producing more content and being more involved in a ‘side-hustle’, the panic caused by the pandemic

(36:37) ‘Giving up’ versus being adaptable, fulfilment through creation not just for the sake of engagement, the creative process

(45:22) Jenna’s background with mental health, finding purpose

(53:03) Apps that Jenna finds useful for wellbeing, journaling and self-help books

(57:34) Closing comments

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